Jun 15, 2026 City Council

[A. CALL TO ORDER AND ANNOUNCE A QUORUM PRESENT ]

[00:00:07]

>>> GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. WELCOME EVERYBODY.

TONIGHT IS MONDAY JUNE 15TH AT 2026 AT 6:30 P.M.

WE'RE GOING TO CALL OUR COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER.

DO A ROLE CALL. MR. ODOM? MS. CAMPBELL? NICHOLS? ELMORE? RODRIGUEZ?

DOING THE INVOCATION? >> SURE LOOUTLY.

THANK YOU MAYOR. SO IF YOU WILL JUST BOW WITH ME FOR A MOMENT OF PRAYER. OH GRACIOUS OH WONDERFUL FATHER, HOW GRATEFUL WE ARE BECAUSE YOU HAD PROVIDED FOR US. YOU HAVE GIVEN TO US.

WE ARE BLESSED BY IT. AND YOU ARE GATTERED US HERE TODAY. AND I PRAY TO GOD RIGHT NOW FOR OUR MAYOR, OUR COUNCIL, OUR CITY ADMINISTRATOR AS WELL AS OUR CITY SECRETARY, OUR STAFF. ALL OF THE INDIVIDUALS THAT MAKE THIS CITY OPERATE ON A DAILY BASIS.

I PRAY THAT YOU WILL BLESS THEM THAT YOU WOULD FILL THEIR CUP TO OVERFLOWING MEASURE SO THAT THEY WOULD GIVE BEYOND WHAT THEY EVER EXPECTED THEY COULD. NOW LORD I PRAY THAT YOU WILL RUN THIS MEETING. THAT YOU WILL SPEAK THROUGH EVERY PERSON WHO IS GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY.

AND THAT EVERYTHING IS SAID AND DONE WILL GIVE YOU GLORY, HONER AND PRAISE IN JESUS NAME, AMEN.

>> POK MAYOR AND COUNCIL OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS WE HAVE THE CITIZEN COMMENTS. I DON'T HAVE ANYONE WHO IS

[D.1. A proposed Planned Development (PD) presented by Cynthia Mickens Ross to develop a community hub located at 302 W. Palestine which has approximately 3 acres of site area.]

ITEM. >> MAYOR, STAFF, COUNCIL.

CYNTHIA MICKEN MINISTRY PROJECT AIMS TO EXPAND HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES AND DEDICATED OCCUPANCY SPACE PROVIDE DEDICATED COMMUNITY SPACE. OPTIMIZE PANTRY DISTRIBUTION.

MEET PARKING REQUIREMENTS. ENHANCED GARDEN AREAS.

RETAIL AND ENTREPRENEURIAL SPACE.

INCORPORATE FUNCTIONAL PROGRAM SPACES WITHIN THE EVENT FACILITY. AND STORM WATER RETENTION NEEDS. THEY ARE HERE TONIGHT TO GET FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL BEFORE WE MOVE THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT BEFORE PNZ AND COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.

AND SO CYNTHIA IS GOING TO PRESENT HER SITE PLANS.

>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND MAYOR COUNCIL, CITY ADMINISTRATOR AS WELL AS BLAKE AND HIS TEAM, WE ARE SO GRATEFUL THAT YOU ALL ARE CONSIDERING OUR PLAN.

AND THE FIRST THIN I WANT TO SAY IS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO DO IS TO ENHANCE THE SERVICES IN THIS COMMUNITY.

AS YOU ALL MAY KNOW, WE HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE 2008.

AND ALL OF THE TIME THAT WE'VE BEEN HERE, WE HAVE TRACKED TO WORK ALONG WITH THE CITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RESIDENTS ARE GETTING MORE THAN THEY MAY HAVE AT THIS MOMENT.

AND WE WANT TO CONTINUE THAT EFFORT.

SO WITH ME TONIGHT, I HAVE MY HUSBAND OF COURSE.

BUT I HAVE MIRANDA-- BOARD MEMBERS.

THAT THEY WOULD STAND AND I HAVE SOME AND SO THE CITY HAS EXPANDED AND YOU'RE BUILDING NEW BUILDINGS, WE NEED NEW BUILDINGS TOO. THESE BUILDINGS ARE REALLY OLD AND THEY ARE NOT COST EFFECTIVE.

AND EVERY TIME WE LOOK AROUND, WE'RE SPENDING DOLLARS AFTER DOLLARS AFTER DOLLARS. SO IT IS OUR EFFORT TO BRING THIS PROJECT TO THE CITY SO THAT THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL

[00:05:01]

AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO SILVIA JOHNSON AND ALSO QUINTON SMITH WITH QSC WHICH IS OUR CONSTRUCTION.

THANK YOU. >> GOOD EVENING.

I'LL BE REVIEWING THE SITE PLAN FOR THE COMMUNITY HUB.

YES, SIR, I WILL. HERE WE GO.

AWESOME. GOOD EVENING AS DR. MICKENS ROSS STATED I'M SILVIA JOHNSON. I'M A PROJECT MANAGER WITH QSC SERVICE. THE SITE IS OUR WORK LIVING COMMUNITY WHICH WILL HAVE 14 SENIOR LIVING HOUSING.

WE WILL HAVE 14 CAREER PATH UNITS AND FOUR UNITS FOR MOTHERS WITH UP TO TWO CHILDREN.

AND THAT'S SINGLE MOTHERS WITH UP TO TWO CHILDREN.

THE PURPOSE FACILITY. WHICH PROGRAM IS INCLUDE BUT NOT LIMITED TO HEALTH CARE. IT DOES INCLUDE FOOD.

SO THE REAR OF THE SITE YOU HAVE THE COMMUNITY GARDEN.

IT WILL BE EXPANDED FROM WHAT IS THERE TODAY.

>> AND THEN ONE LAST NOTE BEFORE I OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS. BELLE LOOKING AT THE PHASE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT AS WELL. THE COMMUNITY PIECE.

PIECES UP FRONT WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT'S LAST.

SO WE CAN HAVE THE HOUGS COMPONENT IN FIRST.

THEN WE'D BUILD OUT THE COMMUNITY ASPECT OF IT.

BUT WE'RE DEFINITELY OPEN TO VARIOUS WAYS OF HOW WE DO THAT.

THIS IS HOW IT'S BEEN STRUCTURED TODAY AS WE'VE LOOKED AT IT. BUT WE'RE DEFINITELY LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK FROM YOU ALL ON THE BEST WAY TO ACHIEVE THIS

FOR YOUR LIKING AS WELL. >> COUNCILLORS, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I'LL SAVE MINE UNTIL THE END.

>> I'M SORRY. YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE HOUSING RETAILERS. THERE'S NO WAY YOU CAN GO MORE IN DEPTH TO WHAT TYPE OF HOUSING AND WHAT TYPE OF RETAILER YOU'RE HOPING TO BRING TO THE CITY?

>> SO WE ARE PROPOSING A TOTAL OF 32 HUSKING UNITS WITH 18 OF THEM BEING DEDICATED TO SENIORS FROM OUR COMMUNITY WHO MAY BE AGING OUT OF THEIR ORIGINAL HOMES.

AND WE WANT THEM THE STAY IN THE COMMUNITY AND WORK WITH OUR CHILDREN IS THAT'S THE WAY FOR US TO BRING THE ELDERLY POPULATION INTAT YOUNGER POPULATION.

SO THAT WE CAN MATCH THOSE RESOURCES AS WELL.

AND THEN 14 UNITS WILL BE FOR CAREER PATH HOUSING.

THAT IS THE LIVE WORK SPACE. IS THAT MEANS THAT THEY CAN LIVE ON THE PROPERTY AND ALSO WORK ON THE PRRT.

BECAUSE THAT'S THE EXTENSION OF THE RETAIL SPACE.

AND WE HAVE DEDICATED FOUR UNITS THAT ARE GOING TO BE FOUR FOUR-BERM UNITS FOR SINGLE MOTHERS WITH YOUNG CHILDREN WHO NEED A SAFE PLACE TO LIVE. BUT ALSO NEED THE TRAINING SO THAT THEY CAN BECOME SUSTAINABLE FOR THEIR CHILDREN AND THEMSELVES. AND SO THERE IS FOUR UNITS SET ASIDE WHERE EACH MOTHER CAN HAVE UP TO TWO CHILDREN.

>> DID YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE REST OF IT?

OR JUST THE HOUSING? >> I THINK I'M MORE FOCUSED ON THE HOUSING. AND AGAIN, BEFORE I SAY ANYTHING, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE MEAN.

I JUST WANT TO GET THE CLARIFICATION.

SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT-- SINGLE. COME TO THAT PART.

>> SINCE 2010. AND THE MOTHERS WITH CHILDREN.

THREE PHASE INTERVIEWING PROCESS.

SO FIRST IS THE APPLICATION. THEN WE HAVE A TELEPHONE INTERVIEW. BUT WE HAVE A TELL TONE INTERVIEW. WITH THE OUTCOMES.

RIGHT SO WE'RE GOING TO CHOOSE. AND JUST NEED A LITTLE HELP.

WITH CHILDREN. AND THEY HAVE ONE AND THEN.

THE DECISION IS A GOOD CANDIDATE FOR YOUR PROGRAM.

[00:10:07]

CHILDREN. >> ALSO, I SEE THAT ACCORDING TO THE DIAGRAM, YOU HAVE HOUSING.

THEY COULD SAY THAT THERE IS A DISTINGUISHED--.

>> THE WHOLE LABEL. AND SERIOUS UNITS FOR THE SINGLE MOTHERS. SO SOME OF THOSE UNITS WOULD BE AT THE TOP. BECAUSE IT'S ONLY TWO LEVELS.

>> ALREADY ASKED MY QUESTION. I WAS GOING TO ASK HOW MANY STORIES. TWO STORIES.

>> TWO STORIES, YES. JUST TWO.

>> AND THEN EACH ONE OF THESE HOUSING.

I'M SEEING FIVE HOUSING UNITS. HOW MANY LIKE EACH ONE OF THOSE

HOUSING. >> ASK ME THAT ONE MORE TIME.

>> YOU GOT FIVE BUILDINGS HERE. HOW MANY UNITS ARE IN EACH

BUILDING? >> SO WE CAN WALK THROUGH THAT.

BECAUSE I THINK SOME WERE DIFFERENT SIZES.

DO YOU WANT TO WALK THROUGH THAT PROGRAM.

PERSPECTIVE ON IT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?

>> YES. >> SO WE CONSIDER THEM TO BE RESIDENTIAL HOUSING UNITS. AND THEY ARE NOT APARTMENTS.

AS YOU CAN SEE EVERYTHING THAT IS PLANNED IS IN A COURT SYSTEM. THEY WOULD BE IN A COURT AREA.

EVERYTHING HAS TO COME FROM THE COURTYARD AND SO IT'S A COMMUNITY WITHIN A COMMUNITY. THE INTERVIEW THESE PEOPLE.

AND THEY CAN--. THESE QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ASKED

SO FAR RIGHT NOW. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY RENDERS OF

HOW THESE MIGHT LOOK? >> SO I WILL LET THEM DESCRIBE

THAT FOR YOU. >> STILL IN THE INFANCY STAGES.

SO WE DO HAVE-- ABLE TO FLUSH THROUGH YET.

>> PRETTY HARD TO DO A PRESENTATION WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE RENDERINGS. I'M SURE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE FIRST PART OF MY PRESENTATION TO SHOW YOU WHAT

IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE. >> WHAT IT POSSIBLY COULD LOOK LIKE. BUT I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT IS WE WANTED TO HEAR FROM YOU ALL.

I KNOW YOU LIVE ALMOST ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT.

SO YOU KNOW WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WILL WILL BE PROUD OF. WE WANT TO BE PROUD OF IT.

BUT WE ALSO WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO BE PROUD OF IT TOO.

AND SO ANY FEEDBACK THAT YOU CAN GIVE US, WE'D LOVE TO HEAR THAT. WE DIDN'T WANT TO PUT IT.

WE WANT INPUT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE.

AND THEY'LL BE PROUD OF THAT FACILITY.

THAT COMMUNITY. >> MA'AM, THAT TO ME.

AT THE LITTLE TUCKED INTO THE BACK THERE.

TALKING ABOUT THE INTERIOR RIGHT BEHIND YOU WHERE THE

MASONIC. >> THAT'S NOT WHAT I WOULD USE

IT FOR IF YOU LET ME BUY IT. >> SO NOW THE AREA KIND OF PHARMACEUTICAL HE WANTS TO BRING IN THERE.

THAT CREATES A LOT MORE TRAFFIC IN THAT LITTLE CUBBY HOLE RIGHT THERE ON THAT ONE STREET. ABOUT A BLOCK LONG.

AND I'M JUST WONDERING ABOUT WHAT--.

>> LET'S JUST CONCENTRATE ON WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT.

[00:15:03]

>> WELL IT'S WHERE I LIVE. THIS IS WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME.

BECAUSE I LIVE THERE. IT AIN'T IN YOUR BACKYARD.

THIS IS MY BACKYARD. AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TO ASK QUESTIONS. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. BUT AT THIS POINT I'VE ALREADY HAD CONVERSATION WITH HER. SO REGARDLESS I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT. BECAUSE ONE OF MY CONCERNS WAS-- AND SHE ADDRESSED IT. WAS THAT OKAY, YOU GOTTA'-- YOU'RE TAKING IT ON NOW. THESE APARTMENTS HERE WERE FOR 15 YEARS. AFTER 15 YEARS YOU CAN SELL

THEM. >> THAT'S NOT MY PROJECT.

IT'S-- I THINK YOU MAY BE MIXING OUR PROJECT UP WITH THE JACK MATTHEWS PROJECT. THAT'S A TAX CREDIT.

WHERE THEY HAVE TO TURN IT OVER TO THE NON-PROFIT AFTER 15 YEARS. THIS WOULD BELONG TO CYNTHIA MICKENS MINISTRIES WITHOUT ANY INTENTION OF EVER SELLING, OKAY. AS A MATTER OF FACT ATTORNEY RIGHT OVER HERE AND BYLAWS STATE WE'RE NOT TRYING TO SELL ANYTHING. TO BUY SOME MORE.

>> WELL THAT'S WHY I WANTED YOU TO SHARE THAT.

AND I DID IT MORE FOR THAT REASON.

>> TO EXPLAIN WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS.

AND YES. WE ADDRESSING THIS HERE.

BUT REGARDLESS IT'S STILL-- IT'S ONLY ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT OF THAT NEIGHBOURHOOD. AND THAT'S--.

>> I UNDERSTAND THERE. WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE HAPPEN IS THAT WHEN WE STAY PURPOSE BUILDING.

OUR TWO LEVELS WHICHEVER ONE WE CAN DO WITH THE MULTIPURPOSE BUILDING, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE CITY NEEDS THAT WE CAN PARTNER WITH THE CITY? WE'RE TALKING RIGHT NOW MARK CUBAN ABOUT PUTTING ONE OF HIS DRUG FACILITIES HERE.

THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO.

I WOULD LOVE IT IF WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT WOULD MAKE THIS CITY BETTER WITH THIS PROJECT? WHAT WOULD MAKE IT BETTER? AND THEN LET'S PARTNER TOGETHER TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. BECAUSE EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE DONE SINCE WE'VE BEEN HERE HAS TO MAKE THE CITY BETTER.

WE'VE NEVER TRIED TO DO ANYTHING WITHOUT THE CITY'S APPROVAL. WITHOUT GOING TO THE CITY AND SAYING WHAT IS IT THAT YOU NEED? THAT'S HOW WE GOT TO SENIOR HOUSING.

THAT WAS GUY BROWN WHO CAME TO OUR RETREAT AND TOLD US THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED IN THIS CITY IS SENIOR HOUSING.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID. YES.

>> I THINK ONE OF OUR MAIN CONCERNS IS WE'VE HEARD THIS

BEFORE. >> YES.

AND YOU KNOW WE HAVE TO COME UP HERE AND TELL US YOU KNOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS OR DO THAT. AND THIS IS 360 WE MAKE IT FEEL LIKE WE HAVE CAKE IN OUR FACE. SO I THINK A LOT OF US IS WE'RE TRYING OUR BEST NOT TO MAKE SURE WE GET A REPEAT OF THIS.

SO I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION WHEN IT COMES-- ACTUALLY YOU SAID SOMETHING THAT I THINK STOOD OUT A LITTLE BIT.

WHEN YOU SAID WE'RE TRYING TO CHANGE AND YOU'RE TRYING TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CITY. AND I THINK IF WE WERE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF RENDERING OF HOW IT LOOKED.

THAT WOULD-- YOU KNOW THAT WOULD REALLY HELP US ALL DETERMINE EXACTLY WHAT WE WANTED TO DO.

NOW BECAUSE I'M ALL ABOUT APPEARANCE.

IF IT LOOKS GOOD, I'M WITH YOU. >> WE DO HAVE SOME RENDERINGS AND WE CAN E-MAIL THOSE RENDERINGS TO YOU.

WE DO HAVE SOME RENDERINGS THAT WAS GIVEN TO US BY THE COMPANY WHO DEVELOPED THE MASTER PLAN IN MINISTRIES INTERNATIONAL.

AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. BUT WE DO HAVE SOME RENDERINGS OF WHAT THE HOUSING RESIDENTIAL HOUSING PIECE COULD LOOK LIKE.

WE HAVE NOT DESIGNED THE MULTIPURPOSE BUILDING YET BECAUSE WE REALLY DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT ALL IS GOING TO BE THERE. I CAN TELL YOU THE REASON WHY I ASKED SOME OF MY CHURCH MEMBERS TO COME IS WE HAVE AN OLD CHURCH BUILDING. WE NEED A NEW BUILDING.

AND SO I WANTED THEM TO KNOW THAT WE'RE FIGHTING FOR A NEW CHURCH BUILDING BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT IS FALLING APART.

BUT WE WANT TO PUT SOME OTHER THINGS IN THAT BILGED BECAUSE WE WANTED TO BE A FLEX USE BUILDING.

THAT MEANS THAT IF WE NEEDED TODAY FOR SMALL CONFERENCE.

WE CAN DESIGN A SMALL CONFERENCE IF WE NEEDED IT FOR WHAT WE ARE PLANNING WHICH IS A CHARTER SCHOOL.

[00:20:01]

SO THERE ARE MANY THINGS THAT WE WANT TO PUT IN THE MULTIPURPOSE BUILDING BUT WE ALSO WANTED TO HEAR WHAT ARE SOME OF THE NEEDS OF THE CITY THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO PARTNER WITH. YES, SIR.

>> ONE FOR THING AND I'M DONE WITH THIS.

>> YOU SAID THAT BEFORE BUT IT'S OKAY.

NO I'M KIDDING. >> THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT

CAME ABOUT. >> YES.

>> YOU KNOW WITH OTHER CONVERSATIONS.

>> YES. >> SO WHEN YOU'RE NOT AROUND, WHO IS GOING TO BE MANAGING THIS PROPERTY? WHAT I'M SAYING. THIS IS A LOT TO LOOK AT.

>> SO ARE YOU THINKING I'M GOING TO DIE?

GOING OTO PASS AWAY? >> NO.

>> JUST KIDDING WELL FIRST OF ALL, THE FIRST PART OF IT IS THAT WITH A NON-PROFIT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A BOARD.

AND THAT BOARD IS THE GOVERNING AGENCY FOR THIS NON-PROFIT.

THE NON-PROFIT DOESN'T REALLY BELONG TO ME.

I'M JUST THE FOUNDER OF IT. SO WE HAVE BOARD MEMBERS WHO ARE GOING TO CONTINUE THIS IF I SHOULD DROP DEAD TOMORROW.

>> I'M NOT TALK ABOUT ANYBODY DROPPING DEAD.

>> BUT WE ALSO, I ALSO HAVE A PART OF THIS WHERE MY FAMILY WILL BE INVOLVED AS WELL. SO IT WILL CONTINUE ON.

THAT'S WHY I SAID THERE'S PLANS OF SELLING THIS.

I WANT MY GREATGRANDCHILDREN TO BE PART OF THIS AND HAD AS THE VISION I HAVE FOR IT. BUT I ALSO WANT YOU TO CONSIDER MY RECORD. TO THAT.

I'VE BEEN HERE SERVING THIS COMMUNITY.

2008. AND I HAVE-- RIGHT.

RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

AND IN EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE DONE, WE HAVE DONE IT IN A SPIRIT OF EXCELLENCE. AND WE WOULD NOT WANT TO BRING A BLACK EYE TO THIS COMMUNITY. SO EVERYTHING THAT WE PLAN TO DO WILL BE A CONTINUATION OF THE THING THAT WE'VE ALREADY

BEEN IN. >> OKAY, I'M DONE.

>> IS THIS A USE BY RIDE OR WE NEED A ZONING CHANGE?

>> SO WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE A ZONING CHANGE, RIGHT?

I'M SORRY. >> IT'S MULTIUSE.

PLANE DEVELOPMENT. >> BEFORE.

I JUST WANTED TO ADD--. >> WOULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR

NAME FOR THE RECORD? >>-- HILL TEXAS.

I AM A BOARD MEMBER FOR-- MICKENS MINISTRIES.

SO I'M HERE IN THAT CAPACITY. I WANTED TO ADD BECAUSE SOMETIMES I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO GO BACK TO THE REASONS THAT WE THINK ABOUT DEVELOPING A PROJECT.

AND THE REASON THAT I AM PERSONALLY A PART OF THIS PROJECT IS BECAUSE I KNOW HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO THE SITUATION. AS A SINGLE YOUNG MOTHER.

WITHOUT THIS SORT OF HELP AND SUPPORT.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M INVOLVED. I'M IPT MT.LY AWARE OF THE PLAN, THE PROJECT PLAN. NOT JUST PUTTING PEOPLE IT SHALL IT'S WRAP AROUND SERVICES THAT WILL BE PROVIDED FOR THEM.

AND THEN WHAT THAT GIVES BACK TO YOUR COMMUNITY.

AND I REGRET THAT WE DID NOT BRING THE RENDERINGS AND ELEVATIONS ARE BEAUTIFUL. WE'VE BEEN VERY THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THAT. THOUGHTFUL IN THE SENSE OF WHEN YOU PASSED ON THE STREET, IT LOOKS LIKE IT COULD BE A TWO STORY HOME FROM THE BACKSIDE. WE'VE BEEN THOUGHT NFL THOSE DEZPALS I THINK WE WERE HESITANT TO BRING IT BECAUSE IT WASN'T THE FINAL. JUST TO KNOW THAT WE'VE THOUGHT ABOUT ALL THESE THINGS AND WHAT IT WOULD DO FOR THIS COMMUNITY

ON THAT CORNER. >> BUT YOU CAN KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM.

HARD FOR US TO MAKE A DECISION BASED OFF--.

>> ABSOLUTELY DO. AS MR. QUINN ASKED, I SAID THE ONLY OTHER THING I WANTED TO ADD IS JUST A REMINDER THAT THIS ZONING CHANGE WILL BE FOR PLAN DEVELOPMENT.

WHICH IN FACT GIVES YOU ALL THE POWER.

[00:25:01]

BUT WITH A PLAN DEVELOPMENT, YOU GET ALL THE POWER TO TELL US ALL THE DETAILS AND ALL THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DO ON THAT SITE. SO I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE REASON THAT WE WANTED TO DO IT BECAUSE AN ELEMENT.

BUT ALSO REALLY JUST THE SAME POWER THAT WE HAVE OF WHAT HAPPENS ON THAT PROPERTY. SO, THANK YOU.

>> YES, I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION.

WITH MY MOTHER'S CHILDREN. IS THERE GOING TO BE AN AGE

LIMIT ON THE SXHIRN. >> YES IT'S ONLY UP TO 10.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> BECAUSE THEY ARE SHARED. YOU KNOW SPACE.

SO WE DON'T-- YOU KNOW, HOLD. I'M GOING TO SEE WHILE WE'RE TALKING IF I CAN PULL UP ONE OF THE RENDERINGS?

>> WE ACTUALLY MIGHT HAVE THOSE ON A THUMB DRIVE.

BUT WHILE SHE'S DOING THAT, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS I'M HEARING AS WELL MAKE SURE WE GET ADDRESSED.

SO IT SOUND LIKE CIRCULATION-- SITE CIRCULATION.

MAKING SURE WE HAVE TRAFFIC CONTROL.

SOMETHING THAT WE DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE PRESENTING. I GUESS ANOTHER THING I WOULD HAVE A QUESTION FOR. WE TALKED ABOUT THE NUMBER OF UNITS AND THE MIX OF HOUSING TYPE.

IS THERE SOMETHING THERE THAT YOU KNOW WE CAN GET SOME FEEDBACK ON. YOU KNOW YOU FEEL LIKE UNITS ARE ADEQUATE. DO YOU FEEL LIKE FROM THE SENIOR LIVING IT'S THE WORK FORCE DEVELOPMENT.

YOU KNOW IS THERE A MIX, A RATIO THAT WOULD MAKE THE COUNCIL MORE COMFORTABLE SF SO YOU KNOW ARE THERE THINGS LIKE THAT WE CAN GET SOME FEEDBACK ON.

AND THEN ALSO WITH THE MULTIPURPOSE SPACE.

YOU KNOW SOMETHING THAT WE LOOKED AT.

THIS TH BEING A WORK LIVE COMMUNITY SO PEOPLE LIVING IN THESE UNITS CAN WALK RIGHT OVER TO START TO OPERATE SOME TYPE OF BUSINESS OUT OF THE MULTIPURPOSE SPACE.

ALSO BRINGING IN RETAIL COMPONENT AS WELL AS LOOKED AT POTENTIAL DR. MICKENS MENTIONED THE LEARNING COMPONENT THAT WOULD BE A PART OF THAT. AND THEN ALSO LOOKING AT SOME TYPE OF-- WE TALK ABOUT THE FOOD PANTRY THINGS LIKE THAT.

MAKING SURE THAT YOU KNOW THIS IS AN ALL-INCLUSIVE COMMUNITY SO INDIVIDUALS THAT MIGHT NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION CAN REALLY LIVE IN ONE OF THESE UNITS AND HAVE ALL THEIR NEEDS RIGHT THERE BE ON THE SAME SITE.

SO IS THERE ANY FEEDBACK WE CAN GET ON THE MIX AND THE MAKE-UP OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING AS WELL.

>> WELL RIGHT NOW WE'RE KIND OF ADDRESSING THE UNKNOWN.

WE'RE LOOKING AT A PROJECT THAT WE REALLY DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF VISUAL. OF SOME SCHEMATICS HERE.

AND I KNOW WHEN WE TALKED YOU SAID THAT MILL STREET, THE BACK OF THE BUILDING WOULD BE BUTT UP TO MILL STREET, RIGHT? HOW FAR FROM THE ROAD CAN THEY BE.

WHEN WE TALKED YOU SAID THAT THE MILL STREET YOU WOULD TURN INTO THIS FACILITY AND BEING EVERYTHING WOULD BE ON THE BACKSIDE. NOTHING WOULD BE FACING THE

FRONT. >> SO THE ONLY THING THAT'S FACING THE FRONT WOULD BE THE MULTIPURPOSE BUILDING.

>> SO THE CHURCH IS GOING TO-- THE TWO CHURCHES RIGHT THERE

THE HOUSE AND THE CHURCH? >> JUST AS IT IS RIGHT NOW.

>> ARE YOU GOING TO PUSH THEM DOWN? OR IS THIS GOING TO BE NEW BUILDING?

>> WE'RE DESTROYING EVERYTHING WE HAVE NOW.

>> YOU'RE CLEANING IT UP. >> WE ARE DEMOLISHING EVERYTHING THAT EXISTS TODAY. BECAUSE IT'S OLD.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING. AND THEN WE'RE BUILDING ANEW.

SO THE MULTIPURPOSE BUILDING WILL FACE-- OKAY.

SO WE ARE PROPOSING THAT WHEN WE'RE COMING DOWN-- INE SAY FROM WHERE YOU LIVE-- ALL RIGHT.

YOU WOULD TURN IN JUST WHERE THAT HOUSE IS NOW.

THAT WOULD BE PARKING. THAT WOULD BE ALL PARKING.

>> I THOUGHT I'M LOOKING AT PARKING.

>> GO AROUND THE BACK, OKAY. AND THEN THERE WOULD BE PARKING ALONG THE SIDE. INDEED YOU HAVE THE HOUSING SO YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO EVEN SEE THE HOUSING UNITS FROM PALESTINE. YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE ON-- AND THEN THAT IS THE HOUSING UNIT WILL BE SETBACK.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY FEET. BUT IT WOULD BE MOSTLY PARKING.

>> DON'T GET THE IDEA SHOOTING YOU DOWN.

BUT THIS IS NEW. THIS WHOLE PROJECT IS NEW TO THE AREA. AND THE COUNCIL WILL WANT TO LOOK AT RENDERINGS AND EVERYTHING.

>> IF YOU CAN JUST SEND ALL YOUR RENDERINGS TO CYNTHIA, SHE

CAN DISTRIBUTE THEM TO COUNCIL. >> AND YOU KNOW WE GOT THE DOOR

[00:30:02]

AND I THINK YOU WOULD PROBABLY GET A LOT FURTHER ALONG WITH

THIS HERE IF THEY HAD A VISUAL. >> SO IF WE SEND YOU THE RENDERINGS VIA E-MAIL. WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP?

>> IF IT WASN'T IN OUR BACKYARD I PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE AS MANY QUESTIONS. BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE I KNOW THIS ONE WAY IN ONE WAY OUT STREET.

AND I JUST HATE TO SEE THAT STREET JUST CLUTTERED WITH TRAFFIC COMING AND GOING ALL THE TIME.

ONE OF MY NEIGHBOURS IN THE BACK PROBABLY FEELS THE SAME

WAY. >> WELL THERE'S TWO WAYS IN.

WHERE THE-- IS NOW WOULD BE A A DRIVEWAY AND THEN WHERE MILLS IS, THERE WILL BE A DRIVEWAY. BUT YOU HAVE A TURN IN AS SOON AS YOU HIT MILLS THERE'S A TURN IN RIGHT.

AND THEN THERE'S ONLY ONE THERE PARKED ON THE BACKSIDE.

THEY COME OUT AND GO STRAIGHT OUT.

SO I MEAN WE'VE THOUGHT THIS THROUGH IN A LOT OF WAYS.

AND SOME CONSIDERATION THERE THAT YOU LIVE THERE.

BUT I ALSO THINK THERE'S GOT TO BE-- IN US PROVIDING SERVICES TO THIS COMMUNITY. AND KEEPING--.

>> IF IT WAS ME, I JUST HAPPEN TO LIVE THERE.

BUT IF IT WASN'T THE SAME QUESTIONS FOR THE CUL-DE-SAC THERE. AND THE INGRESS AND EGRESS OF THE WHOLE FACILITY. I HAVE TO LOOK OUT FOR THE WHOLE CITY. AND WHAT'S GOOD AND WHAT'S NOT.

AND WE TALKED ABOUT IT. TOLD YOU AS LONG AS IT FITS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT. I'M GOOD WITH.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE COUNCIL YOU KNOW-- GIVES THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASK QUESTIONS. AND SEE-- BUT I THINK RIGHT NOW IS MORE OF A VISUAL OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE WOULD PROBABLY HELP THIS THING MOVE ALONG.

I JUST RECOGNIZE MID FRIEND IN THE AUDIENCE THERE.

>> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MIRANDA?

>> YEAH. >> MAY I ASK A QUESTION.

AND I KNOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THE NEW BUILDOUT AND THEN THE FAMILIES MOVING IN. BUT THEY ARE NOT ALWAYS GOING TO STAY YOUNG CHILDREN. THEY ARE GOING TO BECOME TEENAGERS AT SOME POINT. IS THERE A LIMIT ON HOW LONG THEY CAN BE THERE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT EVEN WHEN THEY TURN TEENAGEERS THAT THEY NEED TO BE VIABLE WHILE THEY ARE THERE IN

THOSE UNITS? >> THEY CAN STAY WITH US FOR UP TO TWO YEARS AS LONG AS THEY ARE FOLLOWING THE PROGRAM.

NOW THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW THE PROGRAM WHICH MEANS THEY MUST BE LOOKING FOR EMPLOYMENT OR GOING TO COLLEGE TO GET THEIR CERTIFICATES OR THEIR DEGREES. SO EVERYTHING THAT'S A PART OF THIS PROGRAM IS PREPARING THEM TO BECOME SELF-SUFFICIENT.

IT IS NOT US DOING CHILD CARE. OR IT IS NOT A PLACE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT WANTING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR UPWARD

MOBILITY. >> OKAY, THANK YOU.

>> AND I THINK SHE HAS THE-- THERE WE GO.

SO THAT'S THE COURTYARD. THE HOUSING AND THE SITE IN THE BACK YOU HAVE THE COMMUNITY GARDEN.

THIS IS FROM THE CENTRE OF THE HUB AND THE HUB AS THE WORK LIVING SPACE. SINGLE MOTHERS, SENIORS AND PATH CAREER INDIVIDUALS WILL BE HOUSED.

HERE IS A SCHEMATIC VERSION OF WHAT IT COULD POSSIBLY LOOK

LIKE. >> AND AGAIN, ALL THIS IS

[00:35:06]

SO EVERYTHING IS-- THEY WILL BE NOTHING ON THE STREET SIDE.

EVERYTHING THAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO IS GOING TO BE JUST LIKE THIS. THAT'S GOING TO FACE HERE.

THIS ONE'S GOING TO FACE HERE AND HERE'S THE COURTYARD.

SO EVERYTHING IS IN THE MIDDLE. INCLUDING THEIR PARKING WILL BE ON THE FRONT SIDE AND THE BACKSIDE.

>> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDING 50 OR 60 PEOPLE TO THIS FACILITY. POSSIBLY.

>> I MEAN IF YOU WANT TO COUNT CHILDREN WE HAVE 32 UNITS AND EACH ONE CAN HAVE UP TO TEN CHILDREN.

ALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS TWO FOUR SIX EIGHT CHILDREN.

SO THAT'S 40 PEOPLE. AT THE MOST.

>> OKAY. I JUST WANT TOP REITERATE.

AND I SEE MORE. I JUST KNOW THE TROUBLE THAT WE HAVE AND THESE APARTMENT PEOPLE BRINGING THEIR BOYFRIENDS IN AND I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO WEED THAT OUT I'M SURE.

>> WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY PROBLEMS. >> YOU HAVEN'T HAD NOTHING TO THIS MAGNITUDE. I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'RE DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING, BUT IT'S NOT TO THIS MAGNITUDE OF PEOPLE IN

ONE LITTLE CORNER. >> SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SENIORS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO

WERE ENTREPRENEURS. >> I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT WE NEEDED SOME SENIOR LIVING IN HUTCHINS.

>> THAT'S A POPULATION. SO IF YOU WANTED-- IF THERE WAS ONLY A RISK, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT-- FOUR WOMEN.

AND I CAN'T SEE FOUR WOMEN--. >> OKAY MAYOR FOR THE SECOND TIME, IT'S A PRESENTATION. THEY STILL HAVE TO GO TO-- THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO GO TO PNZ FOR THE ACTUAL PLAN.

>> A LOT OF THIS IS KIND OF ON WHAT YOU'RE PROMISING.

AND WHEN THESE APARTMENTS CAME IN, COMMISSIONER AND WHAT'S THE NAME? WE HAD A MEETING AND THEY ASSURED ME THAT NOTHING LIKE THIS WOULD EVER-- LET ME FINISH. THEY ASSURED ME THAT NONE OF THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. AND IT HAS TURNED INTO A NIGHTMARE. 40% OF THEM COME FROM APARTMENTS. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE FROM RIGHT NOW TO WHENEVER THAT WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE OF WHATEVER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING HERE.

IS DON'T GET TO THAT POINT. >> WELL MAYOR---- THOSE OVER TH THERE-- THOSE APARTMENTS OVER THERE. ARE NOT SUPPORTING THIS COMMUNITY. THOSE APARTMENTS OVER THERE ARE NOTHING LIKE THE WORK WE HAVE DONE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

SO IT'S A-- YOU KNOW-- TO ME, TO COMPARE US TO THAT? WHEN WE HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE 2008, IS TO ME A LITTLE BIT OF AN INSULT. BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHO I AM.

>> DON'T TAKE IT AS AN INSULT. WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO THIS POINT IS MINUTE COMPARED TO WHAT WE'RE GOING INTO NOW.

I MEAN IT'S BEEN GOOD WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING AND I'VE SUPPORTED YOU ON MOST JUST ABOUT ALL OF IT.

WE JUST GAVE YOU 3 OR $4 HAD,000 ON A REFRIGERATOR NOT TOO LONG AGO TO HELP YOU WITH YOUR DEAL.

SO DON'T TAKE IT AS AN INSULT. WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS THE RIGHT THING FOR EVERYBODY HERE.

>> I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. IS THE AREA GOING TO BE GATED?

OR IS IT GOING TO BE OPEN? >> IT COULD BE GATED.

I MEAN WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. >> I WASN'T--.

JUST ASKING. >> AND I THINK THIS I WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IT BEING GATED.

IN MY OPINION I THINK THE BEST THING FOR THIS IS TO BE GATED.

>> MS. MICKENS. DON'T TAKE IT WRONG.

I GOT 26 YEARS OF SITTING IN THIS CHAIR OR THAT CHAIR.

THAT I'VE RUN ACROSS A LOT OF STUFF.

THAT'S WHY I CAN PROBABLY ASK MORE QUESTIONS THAN MOST EVERYBODY HERE. I'VE EXPERIENCED A WHOLE LOT OVER THE 26 YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN IN OFFICE HERE.

DON'T TRY AND TAKE IT LIKE I'M BASHING YOU.

BUT I'VE BEEN AROUND A LOT LONGER THAN MOST EVERYBODY EXCEPT MR. ELMORE. BUT OTHER THAN THAT WE'VE BEEN SITTING NEXT TO EACH OTHER FOR 26 YEARS.

>> I'VE HAD FAMILY IN HUTCHINS FOR A HUNDRED YEARS.

>> SO ARE THE RENDERINGS OKAY? SO WHAT'S OUR NEXT STEP?

>> WELL THAT'S UP TO THE COUNCIL.

>> CAN I ASK A QUESTION? >> YES.

>> I'M SITTING HERE LOOKING AT YOUR SITE PLAN AND I NOTICE

[00:40:04]

>> YES. >> SO WE ARE ASKING THE CITY.

THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE FROM THE CITY IS IF THEY COULD PARK ON THE SIDE OF MILL STREET.

BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS SETBACK SO FAR THAT THERE COULD BE SOME

PARKING THERE ON THE SIDE. >> LOOKING AT THAT ON THE SIDEWALK. MAYBE A PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE GOING

BACK TO THE PARK ALSO? >> SO WE ARE LOOKING AT-- AND IT'S THE VERY EXPENSIVE PIECE OF ADDITION.

AND THAT IS TO CONNECT THE PARK TO THE DEVELOPMENT SO THEY CAN WALK ACROSS ON RED. BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW WE HAVE THE FLOOD PLANE THAT RUNS-- SO WE ARE LOOKING AT IF WE CAN GET THAT APPROVED, TO PUT A BRIDGE SO THEY CAN WALK TO THE PARKING. AND EVERYTHING IS STILL CONTAINED. IT WOULD BE INSIDE OF THE AREA.

>> WE CAN RUN IT BY THE CITY ENGINEER THE LOOK AT THAT.

>> AT THIS POINT FORWARD THEY NEED TO SUBMIT THE RENDERINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE THE RENDERINGS.

FROM THERE WE CAN HAVE A WORK SESSION WITH THE COUNCIL.

BECAUSE THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT GIVES US THE POWER TO SAY WE DON'T WANT OFFSTREET PARKING ON THE SIDE OR WHATEVER.

AND WE'LL PUT THAT PLAN DEVELOPMENT TOGETHER.

>> I'M SORRY THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING.

THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC FORUM. >> THIS IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY SO WE'RE-- ON BOARD WITH THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF A BRIDGE.

YOU CAN SEE THAT. SOMEWHERE DOWN THE ROAD SOMEBODY WILL SAY HOW COME YOU DIDN'T ASK THIS OR THAT.

AND I FEEL MUCH BETTER ASKING THE QUESTION THAN LEAVING HERE YOU KNOW. THROUGH OUR FRIENDSHIP AND EVERYTHING NOT ASKING THE QUESTIONS.

>> I UNDERSTAND. >> WHERE DO WE GO NOW?

>> THAT'S IT. >> IT'S BEEN A PRODUCTIVE DIALOGUE. THERE'S SOME INFORMATION THAT WAS SHARED THAT COULD BE USEFUL IN THE FUTURE.

WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL GET THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT TOGETHER IN A WORK FORM AND HAVE A ROUGH SESSION AND IT'S GOT TO GO THROUGH THE ATTORNEY AS WELL. FROM THERE WE CAN MOVE FORWARD

WITH THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT. >> THE MORE INFORMATION YOU GET. THE COUNCIL.

YOU KNOW THE BETTER WE COULD MOVE FORWARD.

>> WE'RE HAPPY TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

WE WANT THIS PROJECT TO HAPPEN SO WE ARE DEFINITELY AMENABLE TO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO REALLY LET YOU HAVE THE ASSURANCE THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE THAT THIS IS A VIABLE PROJECT.

>> OKAY. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

>> I APPRECIATE EVERYONE COMING.

YOU BROUGHT A BIG CROWD WITH YOU.

THAT'S AWESOME. >> THANK YOU ALL.

APPRECIATE YA'LL. >> OKAY SO AS WE TRANSITION

[E.2.A. Conduct a public hearing, discuss and consider a request by David Petree with Blue Sky Surveying & Mapping, representing the property owner Mack Prioleau with BC Wintergreen LP for a replat of Carpenter Industrial Park Section One, Tracts 1 & 2, Block B, 6.9151 acres of land located in the S.C Atterberry Survey, Abstract NO. 18, West of Vanderbilt Road and North of Della Road, more commonly described as 720 West Wintergreen Road. ]

ITEM 2A CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING DISCUSS AND CONSIDER REQUEST BY DAVID PETRE SURVEYING MAPPING REPRESENTING PROPERTY OWNER MACK PRIOLEAU WITH BC FOR A REPLAT OF CARPENTER INDUSTRIAL PARK SECTION ONE TRACTS 1 AND 2 BLOCK B. MORE IMPORTANTLY DESCRIBED AS WEST WINTER GREEN ROAD. IN FRONT OF YOU YOU HAVE THE STAT REPORT THAT WAS ADDED TODAY.

THAT HAS THE INFORMATION FOR THIS ITEM.

AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE FRENGTH ITEM.

>> THANK YOU. MACK AND GRAHAM OF BRITOCK CAPITAL THERESANTLY PURCHASED WEST WINTERGREEN CURRENTLY GS SXICHLT THEY HAVE SUBMITTED A REQUEST TO REPLAT THE PROPERTY IN THE TWO LOTS AND REPLAT IT INTO ONE.

THIS IS FOR FUTURE IMPROVEMENTS.

THEY HAVE SUBMITTED THEIR PLANS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.

THE SITE IS AN LI LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.

WE HAVE REVIEWED THE REPLAT AND ALL CORRECTIONS HAVE BEEN MADE.

[00:45:01]

AND WE DO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. >> AT THIS TIME THERE'D BE NO QUESTION. OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND

RECEIVE PUBLIC COMMENTS. >> OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND SEE IF THE PUBLIC HAS ANYTHING THEY WANT TO SAY ON THAT.

ON THE REPLAT. SO AT 7:15 WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE

THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> SO AT THIS TIME ON ITEM C YOU'LL DISCUSS AND CONSIDER APPROVAL OR CONSIDER THE REQUEST FOR THE REPLAT. OF CARPENTER INDUSTRIAL PARK SECTION 1 TRACKS ONE AND TWO BLOCK D.

MORE COMMONLY DESCRIBED AS 720 WEST WINTERGREEN ROAD.

WE DON'T HAVE THIS ITEM IS JUST MADE BY THE CONSIDERATION MADE BY MOTION ONLY. THERE'S NO RESOLUTION OR

ORDINANCE WITH THIS ITEM. >> YOU DON'T NEED THIS

ORDINANCE NUMBER HERE? >> NO THERE'S NO ORDINANCE ON THIS ONE. THIS IS FOR THE REPLAT.

>> ON ITEM 2 C UNDER PUBLIC HEARING.

IT'S A REPLAT. >> OKAY.

MOTION EITHER TO APPROVE OR DENY THE REPLAT.

>> MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REPLAT.

>> SECOND. >> THERE'S A MOTION BY MR. NICHOLS SECOND BY M MR. ELMORE TO APPROVE THE REPLAT ON E2 THE ITEM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

ALL IN FAVOUR. MR. ODOM.

OH OKAY I DON'T SEE. I'M STILL ON THIS THING HERE.

>> I'M TRYING THE FIND THE PAGE.

>> CLEARING THE SCREEN. SEE WHAT YOU GOT.

>> OKAY DO WE HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER NICHOLS SECOND

BY COUNCIL MEMBER ODOM. >> NEED ONE MORE VOTE.

>> FOUR. OKAY.

MOTION CARRIES. >> THE PAGES.

[F.3. Discuss and consider an Ordinance amending and restating Ordinance No. 2026-01-1219 from 725 E Wintergreen Road to 735 E Wintergreen Road for the purpose of changing the address of record. Presented by Blake Moore, Building Official Ordinance 2026-06-1224]

DISCUSS AND CONSIDER AN ORDINANCE AMENDING AND RESTATING ORDINANCE NUMBER 202601-1219 FROM 729 EAST WINTERGREEN ROAD TO 729 FOR THE PURPOSE OF CHANGING THE ADDRESS OF RECORD. IF YOU WILL DISREGARD THE ORDINANCE NUMBER 202601224 AND BLAKE WILL EXPLAIN HOW THIS

CORRECTION WILL TAKE PLACE. >> YEAH SO BACK IN JANUARY 5TH OF 2026SUP WAS APPROVED. BUT IT WAS APPROVED AS THE EXISTING ADDRESS WHICH WAS 725 BECAUSE AT THE TIME SAVE STOP HAD OWNED THAT. IN PART OF THE AGREEMENT WAS TO SEE THE SUP MOVE FORWARD. WELL IT MOVED FORWARD AND SO THAT TRIGGERED AN ADDRESS CHANGE SO NOW WE'RE BACK TO AMEND THAT SUP WITH THE NEW ADDRESS 735 EAST WINTERGREEN.

>> OKAY I'LL MAKE A MOTION APPROVAL AND IT'S NUMBER

2026-01-1219 AS PRESENTED BY--. >> SECOND.

>> A MOTION BY MR. NICHOLS SECONDED BY MR. ELMORE TO APPROVE ORDINANCE NUMBER 2026-01-1219 AS READ BY OUR-- BLAKE MOORE. ALL IN FAVOUR?

[00:50:01]

>> THANK YOU COUNCIL. >> OKAY SO THIS TIME WE'LL MOVE

[F.4. Discuss and consider a Resolution AUTHORIZING THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR TO EXECUTE CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENTS RELATED TO EMPLOYEE BENEFITS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026-2027 AT AN ESTIMATED ANNUAL COST OF $1,619,225. Presented by: Karen Steward, HR Director Resolution R2026-06-1345 ]

THIS ITEM IS PRESENTED BY HUMAN RESOURCE DIRECTOR KAREN

STEWARD. >> GOOD EVENING MAYOR.

COUNCIL AND MR. QUINN. NORMALLY EVERY YEAR WHAT I WOULD DO IS FORM AN INSURANCE COMMITTEE AND I WOULD HAVE SOMEONE FROM EACH DEPARTMENT REPRESENT US IN THIS COMMITTEE GOING FORWARD. SO WE COULD LOOK AT DIFFERENT PRICING OR DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO OUR INSURANCE.

THIS YEAR HAS BEEN A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT.

TO EXPLAIN THE PROBLEM OR THE SITUATION IS OUR INSURANCE BROKER MITCHELL ROSE. HE IS WITH CLARK ADAMSON.

>> WELL KAREN THIS IS THE SAME THING WE DISCUSSED--.

>> SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS HE CAN ANSWER A LOT MORE IN

DETAIL. >> OKAY.

>> EGOOD EVENING. AS KAREN SAID MY NAME IS MITCHELL. BASICALLY HERE FOR TRANSPARENCY SAKE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT ANYBODY HAS.

WHERE WE ARE. WHY WE ARE IN THE SITUATION WE'RE IN AND WHY THE PRICING IS WHAT IT IS.

I BELIEVE EVERYBODY'S BEEN GIVEN THE FULL PROPOSAL.

I CAN GO OVER SOME OF THE OVERVIEW THE HIGHLIGHTS OF WHERE WE ARE. AND THEN IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS FEEL FREE TO LET ME KNOW.

>> IS THERE A CHANCE THIS GOES BACK DOWN.

>> IF I COULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION FULLY, I WOULD PROBABLY HAVE-- I WOULD BE SO RICH.

BUT THE REALITY IS TO YOUR-- I KNOW WE KIND OF JOKE AND JEST BUT THE REALITY OF WHERE WE ARE AND WHAT'S HAPPENING IS IF WE CAN GO TO THIS PAGE RIGHT HERE. HOLD UP I KNOW IT'S A BIT HARD TO SEE. BUT ONE OF THE EASY WAYS WE TRACK FROM A HIGH LEVEL VIEW IS HOW MUCH MONEY WE PAY THE INSURANCE COMPANY. IN THIS CASE BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD. THAT'S A PREMIUM, OKAY.

SO WE TRACK IT YEAR OVER YEAR TO SEE HOW MUCH WE PAY IN PREMIUM VERSUS HOW MUCH BLUE CROSS OR ANY OTHER CARRIER WOULD PAY OUT IN CLAIMS. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, '23/'24 WE PAID IN PREMIUM $1.034 MILLION AND THEY PAID OUT 800,000 IN CLAIMS. THAT RESULTS IN A MUCH MORE MANAGEABLE RENEWAL, OKAY. '24/'25 OUR UTILIZATION GOT PRETTY HIGH. WE INCURRED A LOT OF CLAIMS. WE PAID IN $1.1 MILLION IN PREMIUMS. THEY PAID OUT 1.7. SO IN ESSENCE FROM BLUE CROSS STANDPOINT, THEY'VE LOST MONEY. AND NOW THEY'LL TRY TO RECRUIT.

THEY DON'T HAVE MAY JUNE AND JULY YET.

WE HAVE PAID IN $874,052. THEY HAVE PAID OUT NEAR $2 MILLION IN CLAIMS. SO MR. ODOM TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION WILL IT EVER GO DOWN? YES THEORETICALLY IT CAN GO DOWN IF THOSE NUMBERS WERE INVERTED OR REVERSED.

>> KAREN I THINK THIS QUESTION IS FOR YOU.

I KNOW WE'VE MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT WE HAD A LOT OF CLAIMS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT.

WE HAVE-- YOU HAVE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT CLAIMS. THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF CLAIMS. TIER ONE ANY CLAIM $15,000 BELOW.

WE GET ACCESS TO THAT EVERY MONTH.

THEN THERE'S TIER TWO. $15,000 OR MORE.

THESE ARE THE ONES THAT MOVE THE NEEDLE ON RENEWAL TIME.

AND HERE ARE OUR TOP 14 LARGE CLAIMS. AS YOU CAN SEE CLAIM NUMBER ONE AND THIS IS ALL HIPA PROTECTED.

THERE'S NO EMPLOYEE IDENTIFICATION.

THIS IS JUST DIAGNOSIS IN WHAT THE INCURRED DATE WAS.

AND WHAT THE TOTAL PAYMENT OUT IS.

SO FIRST ONE PULMONARY FIBROSIS INCURRED.

THAT ONE CLAIM IS $1.1 MILLION. >> MULTIPLE PEOPLE?

LIKE SEVERAL AT ONE TIME? >> SO THAT'S ONE PERSON'S CLAIM. YES, SIR.

[00:55:02]

SO AGAIN I'M HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

THIS IS TRANSPARENCY. BUT I DO WANT YOU TO SEE THE NUMBERS BEHIND IT RATHER THAN JUST SEEING THE ACTUAL RENEWAL AND WHAT THE BIG NUMBER AT THE END.

SO FROM AN UNDERWRITING STANDPOINT FURTHER IN DEPTH, WE DO KNOW THAT SOME OF THESE CLAIMS ARE ONGOING.

AND THAT BIG ONE NUMBER ONE IS ONGOING AND STILL GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW. I'M SORRY--.

UH-- SO WHEN UNDERWRITING LOOKS AT IT.

THEY ARE NOT ONLY LOOKING AT CLAIMS HISTORY.

BUT THEY ARE ALSO TRYING TO FORECAST OVER THE NEXT 12 MONTHS. HOW MUCH CLAIMS ARE GOING TO HIT THE PLAN. AND THEY HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA IF THEY KNOW THAT XYZ IS GOING ON.

THEY CAN ESTIMATE WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE.

CORRECT. SO FOR INSTANCE, I'VE BEEN USING A HYPOTHETICAL SYSTEM HERE.

MITCHEL THE EMPLOYEE KNEE SURGERY.

THAT HITS A CLAIM. BUT THERE'S NOTHING ONGOING.

BUT IF MITCHELL IS ON DIALYSIS, AGAIN HYPOTHETICAL, THEY KNOW THAT A MONTHLY DOCTOR'S VISIT FOR THAT PROCEDURE.

THEY KNOW WHAT THAT CLAIM IS GOING TO COST THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE PLAYING YEAR. AND SO THEY TRACK THIS, SEE WHAT IS ONGOING AND WHAT IS NOT ONGOING.

>> I MEAN IF YOU ARE GOING FOR DIALYSIS GOOD POSSIBILITY YOU'RE UP FOR A KIDNEY TRANSPLANT.

>> CORRECT. SO YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

SO THERE ARE-- IN THAT SCENARIO, NOT SEEING THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE. BUT THAT SCENARIO THAT IS WHAT WOULD TRIGGER-- NOT ONLY IS THERE ONGOING PROCEDURES BUT THERE'S ONGOING RISK THAT CAN BE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

>> EACH ONE OF THESE PROGNOSIS THAT THEY HAVE.

THEY ALWAYS ASK-- A LOT OF TIMES I DON'T KNOW WHO THE PERSON IS. SOMETIMES I DO.

THEY'LL ASK YOU KNOW IF IT'S ONGOING.

A ONE-TIME THING. BUT SINCE WE HAD LIKE 184 OR 180 PEOPLE ON OOUR INSURANCE CLAIM INCLUDING SPOUSES AND CHILDREN, A LOT OF TIMES I DON'T KNOW.

AND THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED TO TELL ME.

SO THAT'S A PROBLEM. SO THAT'S A PROBLEM.

I TAM MIDDLEMAN. I DO NOT WORK FOR BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD. PART OF MY JOB NOT ONLY IS IT TO-- THIS TIME EACH YEAR WE DO A FULL MARKET REVIEW.

SO FROM A BROKER STANDPOINT WE ALL GET ACCESS TO THE SAME RATE. SO DIFFERENT.

>>.

THAT'S CORRECT. SO YOU COULD-- WE GOT TO USE THE RUNNING JOKE YOU CAN BRING TEN MITCHELLS IN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SAME EXACT RATE. JUST PRETTIER SPREADSHEET.

>> SO AT THIS POINT RIDE IT OUT?

>> I DID. WE WENT TO EVERY CARRIER IN THE MARKET. TRADITIONAL AS WELL AS NOT TRADITIONAL. WE RECEIVED DECLINED A QUOTE ON EVERYBODY. A DTQ THAT DECLINED A QUOTE.

SO PART OF IT BEING A FULLY INSURED FUNDED PLATFORM, THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE A QUOTE. SO WHAT I DID HEALTH CARE ORIGINALLY DECLINED TO QUOTE US.

BECAUSE THEY HAD A VERY HIGH RATE.

AND I ASKED HIM TO RELEASE THAT RATE.

AND IF YOU CAN GO TO-- THAT RIGHT THERE.

>> THIS IS THE QUOTE WE GOT FROM UNITED HEALTH CARE.

>> IF YOU CAN SCROLL TO THE BOTTOM OF IT.

THE BULK OF IT THERE THE VERY BOTTOM THE LAST TWO.

SO IF WE WERE TO MOVE TO UNITED HEALTH CARE.

IT IS AN 81.51% INCREASE OVER OUR CURRENT RATE.

>> I HATE TO BE THE BAD GUY HERE.

>> I FEEL LIKE I'M THE BAD GUY HERE.

>> I'M GOING TO ASK THE QUESTION.

IS THERE A PROCESS OF WEEDING OUT THE EMPLOYEES?

>> THAT'S A VALID QUESTION WE GET IT OFTEN.

TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, NO, SIR.

IT IS GOING TO BE A HIPA PROTECTED.

AND IN OUR WORLD IT'S MORE PHI, PERSONAL HEALTH INFORMATION.

SOMETIMES WE KNOW WHO EMPLOYEES ARE ABOUT WATER COOLER TALK.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME KAREN'S NOT ALLOWED THE ASK HEY

[01:00:04]

>> I MEAN AT THE END OF THE DAY THINGS HAPPEN.

AND NEVER EXPECTED THAT TO HAPPEN TO THEM.

AND I GUESS IT'S-- EMPLOYEE IS LOYAL TO YOU.

SO HAVE TO BE YOU KNOW--. >> THAT'S WHY WE HAVE INSURANCE. WE HAVE INSURANCE FOR THEM TO USE IT. SOMETIMES THINGS HAPPEN.

>> WELL WE HAVE STRATEGIES TO REDUCE COSTS BY DIFFERENT HEALTH PLANS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER. MOVE PPO TO HMO.

WE'LL SAY IT WAS MONEY ON THE PLAN.

IT WILL KEEP THE EMPLOYEE COST DOWN AND RATHER THAN SPEND $200 EXTRA A MONTH IT MAY NOT BE AS MUCH.

OUR GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP OUR EMPLOYEES HERE AND NOT MAKE THE HEALTH CARE PREMIUM SO BURDEN SOME THAT THEY WILL GO DOWN THE STREET AND GET A BETTER DEAL.

SO WE HAVE A HARD ENOUGH TIME KEEPING PEOPLE ANYWAY.

SO OUR GOAL DURING BUDGET PROCESS IS FIND THE COMBINATION WHERE WE CAN OFFER A HEALTH PLAN THAT'S MORE AFFORDABLE FOR THEM AND US. AND SO MOVE DOWN THE ROAD ON THAT. WE DISCUSSED THAT DURING THE BUDGET WORK SESSION. RIGHT NOW IT'S KIND OF SHOCKING TO SEE THE LAST TWO YEARS WE'VE HAD VERY HIGH USAGE IN THE HEALTH PLAN. AND WE'RE GOING TO PAY THE PRICE FOR THAT BECAUSE NOBODY WANTS TO BUY THAT RISK.

THEY ARE SAYING WE SEE WHERE THIS IS HEADING AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE IN ON IT. SO BLUE CROSS BLUE SHIELD IS THE CARRIER. AND THEY'VE GIVEN US A MARKET INCREASE ON OUR RATES. MITCHELL'S JOB IS TO GO OUT AND TRY TO LOOK AT ALL THE PLANS AND GIVE US THE ANALYSIS OF WHAT IT WOULD COST THE CITY VERSUS THE EMPLOYEE CORRECT? THAT'S WHERE WE STAND RIGHT NOW.

IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION.

WE'RE-- WE DON'T HAVE THAT LARGE OF BUDGET FOR THOSE THINGS. AND TO TAKE $1.9 MILLION IN INSURANCE PAYMENTS AND BLUE CROSSES IN THE HOLE FOR 9,000 IS NOT A GOOD TRIMMING FOR THEM.

BUT WITH ANY CRISIS OR ANY KIND OF THERE'S A METHODOLOGY TO WORK THROUGH IT. AND REALLY CAN'T LEGALLY TRIED TO SAY HEY, YOUR INSURANCE IS COSTS ARE TOO MUCH.

WE'RE GOING TO ASK YOU TO WALK OUT THE BACK DOOR.

WE CAN'T DO THAT. THERE'S LAWS FOR THAT.

IT MAY HAVE HAPPENED BEFORE WE CAN'T DO IT NOW.

THE ONLY WAY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THE CONTINUING TREATMENT

ENDS THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. >> ALL RIGHT I'LL MAKE A MOTION

TO APPROVE--. >> SECOND.

>> PASS R2026-06-1345. >> TO APPROVE RESOLUTION R2026-06-1345 IS READ BY KAREN STEWART.

OUR HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR. ALL IN FAVOUR.

CAST YOUR VOTE. MOTION CARRIES.

>> THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THIS.

KAREN'S WORRIED SO MUCH ABOUT THIS.

SHE REALLY. AND HER INTEREST IS FOR THE EMPLOYEES AND MAKE A FAIR PRICE FOR HEALTH CARE.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO DO.

BUT I WANT TO LET YOU KNOW I'VE TALKED TO KAREN INNUMEROUS TIMES IN THE LAST THREE MONTHS AND OUR GOAL IS TO RETAIN VALUE AND THERE'LL BE SOME GIVE AND TAKE SO I APPRECIATE HER

EFFORTS. >> THANK YOU KAREN FOR

EVERYTHING YOU DO. >> THANK YOU.

[G.5. City Offices Closed, Friday, June 19, 2026, in observance of Juneteenth Holiday. City Council Meeting, Tuesday, July 7, 2026, 6:30 p.m., Hutchins City Hall, 400 N. JJ Lemmon Rd., Hutchins. Town Hall Meeting, Thursday, July 16, 2026, 7:00 p.m., Hutchins City Hall, 400 N. JJ Lemmon Rd., Hutchins.]

>> AT THIS TIME WE GO ONTO THE COMMUNITY INTEREST.

WE HAVE OUR OFFICES WILL BE CITY OFFICES WILL BE CLOSED FRIDAY JUNE 19TH AN OBSERVANCE OF THE JUNETEENTH HOLIDAY.

OUR NEXT COUNCIL MEETING WILL BE TUESDAY JULY 7 AND THIS WE DO HAVE AN UPCOMING TOWN HALL MEETING NEXT MONTH JULY 16TH.

>> MAKE A MOTION WE ADJOURN. >> SECOND.

>> MOTION BY MR. ELMORE SECOND BY MS. CAM GOAL ADJOURN.

ALL IN FAVOUR CAST YOUR VOTES. >> NO ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS ADJOURN THE MEETING AND THE TIME, MAYOR.

>> THANK YOU EVERYONE. >> THE TIME IS

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.